icowden: Have you noticed that both the militant pro-trans activists and Suella Braverman want to suppress freedom of speech?
monkers: I do not think that the voicing of very offensive opinions should be absolutely free.
icowden: But others would disagree and prevent Graham Linehan from performing (for example).
newfhouse: If you’re referring to the recent episode he wasn’t prevented from performing. The venue simply chose to not assist him. He was free to perform elsewhere, and he did, I think. Free speech upheld.
Quote from: CXRAndyTrans 'women' are men.
There is no such thing as cis. Just Men women girls boys.You're atwats.
Never saw the point of fixed gearing outside a track environment. A freewheel is far superior and matches the simple drive line.
I am very familiar with the bike routes in my little town and unfortunately fall into a Zen autopilot state in which I am not vigilant. As we know, vigilance is not only the cost of freedom but also is a requisite for avoiding accidents. Riding fixed requires me to pay attention and so is safer, since inattention by me or car drivers have caused all my accidents.
Out with management cycling. Thumping rattle as she went over every bump.
Me: What's that noise?
She: Don't know , happens whenever I go over a bump
Me: Don't you worry it might break?
She: Doesn't seem like a breaking noise. Does seem to be getting worse though.
Me: Never mind it'll drop off and then the noise will go away
She: Oh, will it?
We've survived 48 years together. Do wonder how. But I did travel a lot.
this is getting a bit Night of the Living Dead Thread.
The OP has long gone, so I'll draw it to a close.
Locked.
I've learned to make do with less.
The Great Leader was always an entertaining writer.
With regard to Labour, there are many reasons not to vote for them. Their refusal to acknowledge biological sex is a symptom of a general reluctance to engage with reality rather than anything else. So you can vote for Tories who want to fool you, or Labour which wants to fool itself. Or the Greens and LDs, who are at some stage beyond foolery.
Women have the right to discuss issues which affect us. Public discourse now largely takes place online, but online conversation platforms are increasingly restricting the bounds of “permissible” speech and banning, silencing, and otherwise deplatforming women who want to talk about women’s rights and women’s issues on our own terms.
How do I teach my daughter to prioritize an adult man’s feelings over her natural instincts.
The [man] in this case was marked, because Karen didn't expect someone in the bathroom who doesn't fall into her understanding of "woman", whatever that is.
Whatever that is. Whatever. That. Is.
He continues:
I haven't been to a gym in over 6 years because I fear what will happen when I use a locker room. This is despite the fact that I have fully medically transitioned, including having grown my own breasts, same as you, and now having a vulva and vagina (which is indistinguishable from a cis vulva without close inspection). I fear I will die a premature death due to lack of fitness, simply because I believe I cannot safely use a locker room, and society constantly reminds me of it.
So women aren’t allowed to have a concept of what women are. Whatever that is. But Mr. Amethyst the math professor is allowed to know what a woman is, what female parts are, and go to a likely male endocrinologist and a male surgeon to get medical help disguising himself as one. He’s allowed to be afraid of what might happen to him in a locker room or a restroom, but women whatever that is, are not.
Setting aside all the boobs+penis fetish stuff, it kills me how these men who purport that sex doesn’t exist as an independently observable trait somehow know all the women they meet who displease them are a) women and b) “cis.” How does he know his professor isn’t a passing transgender woman? How does he know she’s not an egg or non-binary or faegender or even a non op closeted trans man? Why does he automatically label her as cisgender? Did she explicitly tell him “I identify with the sexist stereotypes associated with my sex”? Did he check her birth certificate to see if she was assigned female at birth? By god, she could have PCOS and technically be intersex! It’s proof that trans is primarily a political designation. Anyone who doesn’t meet the ideological tests of trans is in the so called oppressor group. Men are allowed to know which women are actually women and which women are men.
When you don't understand what words are, what hope is there for you?
A good friend doesn't let you do stupid things .... alone.
I'm currently engaged in tempting the local innocents from the 'true path' in the time honoured fashion.
I don't take her seriously.
It's tediously predictable how middle aged guys rubbish Greta, an "Don't take her seriously" or words to that effect.
she's an effective motivator
How dare you misgender my next gender
Get rid of Gods, borders, and snake-eye career politicians and we'll all get along just fine.
Quote from: multitoolyou have F-35s, ELINT, current generation MBTs, and a missile interception system
Is anyone else getting turned on by this?
I love my kids, but to be honest, the music was so good last night that if I could have pushed them back up my wife's flange I probably would have done.
AndyCXR is a puerile attention-seeking troll, and not even a skilful one at that. Please keep threads clear by refraining from replying to him, other than to call him a knob.
Thankyou for your co-operation.
I take a very different position to Sam on the subject under discussion
Quote from: citoyenHeavens yes!Quote from: PaulFBlue ~ Joni MitchellHell yeah
And we can segue from here into the demise of Islabikes, as they had (have?) a range aimed at grandad and grandma rockers consisting of three models: Joni, Janis and Jimi.
Quote from: quixoticgeekWell aren't you a cheerfully polite bundle of fluffy joy. Btw. There's a thread about this in the racing section.
I don't think it's really racing anymore so put it in the pub as realistically it's sh1te
Quote from: LittleWheelsandBigIt is so delightful to see this old-fashioned saying get another airing, “Do not feed the troll” I know it won’t work but, it never did.
I thought of posting that, but we (as in this place) tolerates other similar personalities, and as you note, the “do not feed” signs don’t work. I shall do my best though.
I'm one of the hoi polloi.
She's just being jumped on by the usual thugs.
Green Party Councillor
Quote from: ravenbaitHave I missed something?
Just an old forum owner bringing up old posts to show that he's still here.
I don't think I could survive now without the internet.
A great search was made involving the children pf the world and a Blue Peter appeal via television and the then burgeoning internet. Bottle tops were collected, then thrown away because it wasnt about the bottletops - although some kid in somewhere unpronounceable and with far too many consonants got to keep the iron lung.
Which was nice.
What point are you trying to invent?
I feel like we've all been slapped round the face with an octopus this weekend.
Every day's a school day.....
Participating in (or starting) a thread about something does not equate to "being triggered".
moral panic
[Language in government documents] Mandated by law is a bit weird.
[Woke] is a word appropriated by daffodils* since it's origins are from the events of the past, when slave owners lynched enlightened slaves who began to resist.
[picture of a lynching]
47 atoms to the ounce, 12 ounces to the moment and 40 moments to the hour.
[From a 13th c encyclopedia]
I'm being impressed by the twitterings of Celia the Comms Director.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. It's not allowing people to say what they believe that is the problem.
If everyone is free to imagine their own definition, then the word conveys no meaning. It is meaningless. Is this what you are trying to say? That "woman" is literally meaningless? Because if not - give it meaning.
It must be difficult to be a man who dislikes male stereotypes and feels more positive towards and attuned with female stereotypes.
Because those stereotypes seem to have become a rather effective prison for anyone who feels they have to conform to them but don't want to.
It says a lot about how powerful the prison is when some men can't decide to stop conforming, instead they decide to be women. Which they obviously can't be.
I'm not including in this the men who are using the current way of things to exert more power over women by deliberately invading their spaces.
Man - I feel unsafe in men's toilets because I have a female brain
Women - Oh no, what happened
Man - Nothing but they might attack me
Women - What can you do about it
Man - I can use your toilets
Women - Our toilets are for women
Man - Yes but I'm wearing a dress so I am a woman
Women - You want to allow men to use women's toilets if they wear a dress?
Man - Well, they don't have to wear a dress to be a woman
Woman - How will they be a woman then?
Man - They will have a female brain
Woman - So you want to let men with female brains in our toilets too?
Man - Yes because we need to be safe from the men with male brains
Woman - How will we know which men have female brains and which ones have male brains
Man - You won't know, there is no way to tell
Woman - So we have to let them all in
Man - Yes
Woman - That would make women feel unsafe in female toilets.
Man - Yes. But let's do it anyway
there is little point engaging with these people other than for entertainment value. They have fundamentally irrational beliefs and they’re good with that
Your level of femininity doesn't define your gender
Bdaybdilemma: Good on her! Glad they're not doing Sunak's populist move of appeasing to the likes of this board.
PorcelinaV: Yep, Rishi using the right-wing conspiracy theory that men aren't women to appeal to all the crazies that believe in biological reality.
MargotBamborough: If your political opponents are able to make political capital out of saying that humans can't change sex, that's a you problem. It means you're a fucking idiot.
Jesus Christ you are obnoxious. You're just a really thick, horrible person aren't you?
Does it not get tiresomeAuroraphobia.
You can be trans without needing drugs or surgery.
Sod it, I'm back.
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Right, I really am out of here. Not getting sucked back into forum life beyond wordle and bike tech.
Forza Steph!
Transgender identity hate crimes rose by 11 per cent in the past year, new figures reveal
Quote from: holyrood.comSpeaking to delegates in Manchester, Sunak, who was introduced by his wife, Akshata Murty, said it “shouldn’t be controversial” for parents to want to know what their children “are being taught in school about relationships” and that “patients should know when hospitals are talking about men and women”.
“We shouldn’t get bullied into believing that people can be any sex they want to be,” he said. “They can’t – a man is a man and a woman is a woman, that’s common sense.”
This is the Prime Minister - our Prime Minister - who is supposed to lead the country.
FUCK
I'm grateful that the prime minister has the brains for a no-brainer. It's never guaranteed.
We need rid of the Tories. Asap.
Fucking Nazis.
Someone should ask him to please explain this common sense and provide a clear and definitive description of what makes a man a man and a woman a woman. Please note, these common sense definitions MUST include all of humanity, not just the majority, otherwise they are inaccurate, unhelpful and bigoted.
We have been asking them for a definition of 'woman' that includes all women and excludes all men for as long as they have been ranting, and all we get are varieties of the following:
Adult human female
XX chromosomes
Designed (??? By whom?) for the production of large immotile gametes
With a womb, cervix and vagina
Someone who menstruates
Etc.
The first is circular
The second includes Klinefelter and De La Chapelle
The third is creationist tripe
Until I was nearly 11, the fourth included me
That elast excludes an awful lot of cis women
Quote from: Pale Rider the lesserWhat were your favourite announcements [from the Conservative Party Conference]?
...men are men and women are women
It's not a policy. It doesn't even make sense in its own terms without a commitment to rewrite the GRA.
Much better to plot your groups on a Venn diagram if you wish to model it.
Meanwhile, in the real world
https://www.theguardian.com/society...e-wanted-to-couple-mourn-their-trans-daughter
Essentially, this board is the place where people who believe the earth is round get away from the people who believe the earth is flat, which is apparently the NHS, the BBC, our ancient universities, our police forces etc.
The comedian taking on transphobia in a new show (that imagines JKR sitting down with trans interviewer)
If a female comedian planned a show about a mock debate with an imaginary [Trans Identified Male], it would be cancelled quicker than one can say "stochastic terrorism".
I really like to live and let people live their lives as they see fit, so long as they're not actively hurting people in the process. Sometimes this thought creeps into my mind because I want to help people who are so disassociated from their own bodies that they feel like an alien trapped inside of a shell. I especially want to help because I've been there. I've had those thoughts and I've had those feelings. For a long time, being against trans was like being against LGB for me; what place did I have to speak on behalf of other's pain and experience, or to deny them of treatment that they said was required?
What it always comes down to though is that the LGB movement genuinely supported loving yourself as you were, that you could be who you are, in the body that you have, loving the people that you do, and that it was OK, that it was innate, that it was normal. Accepting same-sex attraction requires that everyone change absolutely nothing. A woman dating another woman affects no one but the two people in a relationship, unless you're simply morally outraged.
The trans lobby instead tells you that if your mind doesn't fit a certain criteria, based on literally anything, then you need to change yourself. It pushes that it's normal to hate your body, and that to love your body, you need medication, surgery, and treatment for life. It normalizes self hate in the guise of self acceptance. On top of that, it requires everyone else to capitulate in both language and actions. Changing how words are used and what they mean, and forcing others to be quiet about their discomfort and needs for safety.
I will never feel wrong about opposing a movement that pushes for the normalization of experimental cosmetic surgery on children and teens. I will never feel wrong about opposing a movement that enforces gender stereotypes. I will never feel wrong about opposing a movement that disregards genuine safeguarding concerns. I will never feel wrong for opposing a movement where any critic or call for discussion is met with overt aggression and threats.
POTD, please Roger.
I very rarely enter this thread now because I feel I have enough factual knowledge to hold an informed view,
Hit me with your factual knowledge, I can take it!
and to be fair that view hasn't changed hugely and I dont think it is a good use of my time.
Wonder if I'm going to at least rate an "inspired by" credit.
TBH I'm all atingle – nearly washed my {quite clean} hands, but they enjoyed feeling dirty. This will make sense in a minute.
I've researched all points of view
Sounds comprehensive.
including the actual silent majority who just don't think the existence of TW is a sizeable enough threat to cis women to make it even worth discussing.
Tell me, does LALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU play a part in your research methods?
We know there are outliers, tw who have attacked women in women's spaces, but these are outliers, and as a % of attacks on women in women's spaces they amount to nothing.
Great news for the nothings who have been attacked. Acceptable losses. Gotcha.
The greatest danger to cis women in prisons are other cis women, and so on.
You know when you say "cis" I just mentally cross it out, as do most people not in your cult.
WRT sport I feel there is a way to go because it looks likely there are retained advantages in some cases,
It's a pity it took sports to garner widespread attention to what's been going on, but we'll take it.
maybe physical but also financial. I don't think it is the most urgent issue in women's sport, but fairness has to extend to everybody, not just the elite.
Just parking this here.
If you're a little short of time, clicking here will give you the general idea.
What I want to talk about today are the utter weirdoes that constitute theanti-transgender critical brigade.
FTFY. Gender critical is often confused with "anti-trans" by those who regard anything less than 100% compliance with trans rights activist demands as bigotry.
I'm not talking about the professional bigots like Helen Joyce, Kathleen Stock and that swimmer woman, those deeply cynical people who rely on exposure and have realised that the trans 'debate' is a really easy way to gain exposure and therefore money.
Have you actually read Helen and Kathleen? I don't mean paraphrased tweets. I mean context and everything.
It strikes me I may be going too fast. Can you read? Because I'm starting to have my doubts that you have much more than a child’s grasp and understanding of words.
B is for bitch. Like "that swimmer woman" (really polishing those researcher credentials), amirite?
I'm talking about thr amateur bigots who try and emulate them. Have you come across these people? Either their youtube channels or their blogs and so on.
I would not let THESE people within 30 feet of my children.
I wouldn't let you within 30 feet of a goldfish.
I've come to realise that for these people the obsession over TW (it's always TW)
Why do you think men who say they're women are a particular concern? Any theories?
is actually the manifestation of their own mental illness. They have some sort of obsessive disorder.
Shy about us continuing to shine a spotlight on this dribbly madness?
I'll give you this: obsession does appear to be a genuine case of bothsidesism. Anyone who wants to be truly informed rather than just spoken at does so at the risk of making it something of a speciality. Better that than to be an ill-educated fool about an array of topics, I think.
The reality is these are the people with the same borderline characteristics that lead them to any of the internet-driven conspiracy theories (because, make no mistake, the anti-trans movement is a conspiracy theory)
I see you've looked into this with your usual thoroughness.
But, like all people with mental illness/disorder, they may not be able to stop it. It is a compulsion after all.
We get it. You read my candid post about OCD and used it as ammunition.
So I beseech these people: focus your obsessive personality somewhere where it does not cause harm to others. Try train spotting, heavy metal or embroidery.
I suppose I could work on an embroidered codpiece for the emperor's autumn collection.
And if all else fails, you can just get to fuck instead.
Perhaps I've been a bit harsh. I do trust you with my goldfish – at least the one I now own for illustrative purposes.
And that is me signing out of this thread forever.
F is also for flounce.
The people here making all the snide comments saying "You've got a whole thread for that" need to check their privilege.
They find trans people icky.
Trans people are looking at all of their rights as human beings being removed and their ability to exist in public eliminated.
Just finished uploading the manuscript and publishing the latest novel, a bit of a departure for me as it is about a man and written from his point of view… [They say write what you know. - Ed.] The title is "A Longer War" by S.A.A. Calvert
I will have to do my best not to get ill again, because I am now banned from the appropriate ward in hospital.
It took a woman being raped for this to even be spoken about. The woman was gaslit for a year as NHS staff told police she couldn’t have been raped as ‘no men on the ward’
TBH if you are an inpatient in hospital it's likely that the gender of the person helping you is the last thing on your mind.
I agree, but that's from a mans perspective. Some patients would much prefer, even insist that only the same sex person does the intimate care. Its not an unreasonable request
[She's back!]
sieg heiling x1
Quote from: quixoticgeekTerfs unable to fill in paperwork correctly for forming political party ...
https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/09/29/posie-parker-party-of-women-rejected-electoral-commission/
Probably for the same reason that Britain First were rejected, viz. the Electoral Commission doesn’t like forms filled in with a crayon.
On the subject of political parties:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66935750
The Greens are being sued into poverty by a leadership candidate who says he was forced out for being gender-critical.
I am amused that a grifter flogging tat and directly funded from abroad by far right groups...
micro-Nuremberg x1
Avon Braun x1
